
RENAR Voice is a podcast interview series produced by Liberty University‘s north area region Rho Eta Nu Alpha Rho (RENAR) online chapter of Chi Sigma Iota, the counseling academic and professional honor society, that features counseling professors, practitioners, and leaders both at Liberty and beyond. Enjoy these extracurricular opportunities for professional identity formation while hearing from both the counselors who make up our online community and some experts from the wider field of mental health. We aim to provide a place where students learn relevant aspects of the counseling identity and gain wisdom to incorporate spiritual integration responsibly and ethically. RENAR was birthed by the amazing efforts of Liberty University clinical mental health counseling graduates and the RENAR chapter‘s founding officers Robert Switala and Jeff Mazzone, along with support from founding chapter faculty advisers Dr. Krista Kirk, Dr. John King, Dr. Deedre Mitchell, and from student advocacy committee member Dr. Chris Ostrander. Starting in 2023, Erica Rhoads, LPC, NCC along with Ana Barend, LMHC, NCC, both Counselor Education and Supervision doctoral students are eager to continue the legacy Robert and Jeff initiated in creating meaningful content that will bless the counseling students they serve. The Special Feature series spotlights experts outside Liberty on unique topics. The Client Voices series offers the opportunity for specific populations to share their own stories in receiving counseling. Ideas expressed in these episodes are solely those of the hosts or guests, and are not necessarily endorsed by Liberty University, Chi Sigma Iota, and the RENAR chapter. Email us at rhoetanualpharho@liberty.edu with comments and recommendations
Episodes

Monday Feb 14, 2022
Monday Feb 14, 2022
It's St. Valentine's Day, so let's talk about the wonderfully charming traits of narcissism that win us over quickly, but then leave us disappointed, unsatisfied, hurt, and confused.
Counselor (MO), Liberty alumna and assistant professor Dr. Kerry Marsh joins us to talk narcissism. She sets the record straight about narcissistic traits as descriptive rather than just diagnostic, and then discusses the unsustainability of narcissism in relationships, why we love narcissistic people, how narcissism works so well for the narcissist, codependency in relationships with high degrees of narcissism, the stages of narcissism in romantic relationships, and possible origins of narcissism rooted in adverse childhood experiences.
Visit Dr. Marsh's faculty page here.
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Recommended APA citation example: Switala, R. P., & Mazzone, J. (Producers). (2022, February 14). Ep. 32: The sizzle and fizzle of narcissistic romantic relationships - Dr. Kerry Marsh [Audio podcast episode]. In RENAR Voice. Rho Eta Nu Alpha Rho of Chi Sigma Iota, Liberty University.

Tuesday Feb 01, 2022
Ep. 31: Perceived Pornography Addiction - Dr. Chris Ostrander
Tuesday Feb 01, 2022
Tuesday Feb 01, 2022
Counselor (FL and NC), and Liberty University alumnus and assistant professor Dr. Chris Ostrander joins Robert and Jeff to discuss perceptions of pornography addiction and self-identifying in cases where criteria for addiction may not be present. Dr. Ostrander touches on reasons for usage, externalization, attempts at self-regulation and stress relief, sin and shame, where the distorted practice of religious beliefs may lead toward obsessive-compulsive patterns, usage among both males and females, and insight both from his clinical experience and what the research continues to demonstrate.
Additionally, Jeff shares how adolescent and teenage usage impacted his marriage years later, and Robert offers a way to reframe recovery slogans to focus on enduring vulnerability over terminal addiction.
Visit Dr. Ostrander's faculty page here.
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Recommended APA citation example: Switala, R. P., & Mazzone, J. (Producers). (2022, February 1). Ep. 31: Perceived pornography addiction - Dr. Chris Ostrander [Audio podcast episode]. In RENAR Voice. Rho Eta Nu Alpha Rho of Chi Sigma Iota, Liberty University.

Monday Jan 10, 2022
Monday Jan 10, 2022
Dr. Jesse Fox, counselor educator, author, associate professor at Stetson University, and president-elect of the Association for Spiritual, Ethical, and Religious Values in Counseling (ASERVIC) joins counseling students Robert and Jeff following his sharing to a counselor educator email listserv (CESNET-L) his co-authored letter to CACREP expressing concerns over the 2024 revisions possibly removing religious and spiritual competencies from counselor education standards.
*Apologies for Jeff's early sound issues within first minutes.
For ASERVIC's letter to CACREP, click here.
For ASERVIC's spiritual and religious competencies, click here.
For ASERVIC's white paper on spirituality, click here.
For the Spiritual and Religious Competencies Project, click here.
For more on Dr. Fox's scholarly work, click here.
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Recommended APA citation example: Switala, R. P., & Mazzone, J. (Producers). (2022, January 10). Ep. 30: Safeguarding counselor identity with religious/spiritual competency - A special feature with Dr. Jesse Fox [Audio podcast episode]. In RENAR Voice. Rho Eta Nu Alpha Rho of Chi Sigma Iota, Liberty University.

Monday Dec 13, 2021
Ep. 29: Moral Injury and Sexual Shame - Dr. Teresa Phillips-Harris
Monday Dec 13, 2021
Monday Dec 13, 2021
Counselor and supervisor (OH), Liberty University alumna and assistant professor, and CSI chapter president of Liberty's Rho Eta Nu Gamma Dr. Teresa Phillips-Harris joins Robert and Jeff to discuss the foundations of moral injury in combat veterans, and the similar dynamics of moral injury and self-forgiveness when dealing with sexual shame from past sexual behaviors, particularly prior to one's "B.C." days.
For additional resources, check out Brené Brown's books Rising Strong and Gifts of Imperfection. For more on moral injury in combat veterans, check out the Litz et al. 2009 seminal research article here.
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Recommended APA citation example: Switala, R. P., & Mazzone, J. (Producers). (2021, December 13). Ep. 29: Moral injury and sexual shame - Dr. Teresa Phillips-Harris [Audio podcast episode]. In RENAR Voice. Rho Eta Nu Alpha Rho of Chi Sigma Iota, Liberty University.

Monday Nov 29, 2021
Ep. 28: Why Do We Avoid Adolescents and Teens? - Dr. Richard Albright
Monday Nov 29, 2021
Monday Nov 29, 2021
Counselor (TN), school counselor, and associate professor Dr. Rick Albright joins Robert and Jeff to talk more about the seemingly intimidating populations counseling students face. Dr. Albright shares why even seasoned professionals may avoid adolescents and teens, what he's learned about how best to connect with them, how the counselor can effectively enhance their sense of self, and some insight regarding shifting needs - particularly in the area of gender.
Today's episode is also RENAR Voice's One Year Anniversary!
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Recommended APA citation example: Switala, R. P., & Mazzone, J. (Producers). (2021, November 29). Ep. 28: Why do we avoid adolescents and teens? - Dr. Rick Albright [Audio podcast episode]. In RENAR Voice. Rho Eta Nu Alpha Rho of Chi Sigma Iota, Liberty University.

Monday Nov 15, 2021
Monday Nov 15, 2021
Recorded the day after Halloween, counselor/supervisor (TX), registered play therapist/supervisor, and Liberty University assistant professor Dr. Christina Villarreal-Davis joins Robert and Jeff (and Jeff's two-year-old) to begin addressing some common student fears in counseling couples, families, and children. She discusses some nuances of shifting from individual counseling, red flags and pitfalls, and best practices for new clinicians.
For more from Dr. Villarreal-Davis, visit her practice Wellspring of Life Counseling and Play Therapy Center here.
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Recommended APA citation example: Switala, R. P., & Mazzone, J. (Producers). (2021, November 15). Ep. 27: Couples, families, and children, oh my! - Dr. Christina Villarreal-Davis [Audio podcast episode]. In RENAR Voice. Rho Eta Nu Alpha Rho of Chi Sigma Iota, Liberty University.

Monday Nov 01, 2021
Monday Nov 01, 2021
African American professors in Liberty's Department of Counselor Education and Family Studies Dr. Stephanie JW Ford and Dr. Tylon Crook join counseling students Robert and Jeff for a discussion on the interwoven dynamic of spirituality and mental health in African American communities. The conversation powerfully evolves into personal experiences of pain and hope following the nation's response to the killing of George Floyd, and the fruitfulness of keeping the conversation going when one feels afraid, weak, vulnerable, or uncertain.
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Recommended APA citation example: Switala, R. P., & Mazzone, J. (Producers). (2021, November 1). Ep. 27 Seen, heard, and freed to breathe - Dr. Stephanie JW Ford and Dr. Tylon Crook [Audio podcast episode]. In RENAR Voice. Rho Eta Nu Alpha Rho of Chi Sigma Iota, Liberty University.

Monday Sep 27, 2021
Ep. 25: Unlocking Pain with EMDR - Dr. Deborah Braboy
Monday Sep 27, 2021
Monday Sep 27, 2021
Counselor (AR & OK) and supervisor, private practice owner, Liberty University assistant professor, and CSI Rho Eta Sigma chapter faculty advisor Dr. Deborah Braboy joins Robert and Jeff to discuss eye movement desensitization and reprocessing (EMDR). She shares how EMDR can release clients from pain deeply rooted within the body, heart, and mind.
Check out Anchored Hope Counseling for more from Dr. Braboy.
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Recommended APA citation example: Switala, R. P., & Mazzone, J. (Producers). (2021, September 27). Ep. 25: Unlocking pain with EMDR - Dr. Deborah Braboy [Audio podcast episode]. In RENAR Voice. Rho Eta Nu Alpha Rho of Chi Sigma Iota, Liberty University.

Monday Sep 13, 2021
Ep. 24: Play Therapy in Prison - Dr. Kevin Hull
Monday Sep 13, 2021
Monday Sep 13, 2021
Liberty alumnus and assistant professor, counselor in private practice, registered play therapist, and certified group psychotherapist Dr. Kevin Hull joins us to share stories of his use of play therapy with incarcerated fathers. Look for his article "Light in the darkness with the forgotten: Using play therapy in prison as a pathway to relationship and self-development" in the December 2021 issue of Play Therapy Magazine from the Association for Play Therapy.
Visit Dr. Hull's website here and his check out his selected works here in the area of play and group therapy with children, adolescents, and adults on the Autism Spectrum.
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Recommended APA citation example: Switala, R. P., & Mazzone, J. (Producers). (2021, September 13). Ep. 24: Play therapy in prison - Dr. Kevin Hull [Audio podcast episode]. In RENAR Voice. Rho Eta Nu Alpha Rho of Chi Sigma Iota, Liberty University.

Monday Aug 30, 2021
Ep. 23: *BONUS* Cohost Robert Switala Shares His Story
Monday Aug 30, 2021
Monday Aug 30, 2021
Jeff sits down with Robert to ask him about his recovery journey through addiction and his betrayal in his marriage of almost 20 years. Robert shares how it all brought him into a real relationship with the Lord, transformed him, and brought him into the counseling profession. Prior to becoming a counseling intern, Robert was a professional civil engineer for 20 years. Robert serves as the 2021-2022 Past President of our CSI chapter Rho Eta Nu Alpha Rho (RENAR), and is currently a counseling intern at Living Free Counseling under the supervision of Anna Zaccardo, MS, LPC, LMHC, NCC, BCC. He and Jeff started this podcast in November 2020 at the suggestion of Liberty University online faculty advisors and counselors Dr. Krista Kirk and Dr. John King.
To contact Robert or Jeff, email them at rswitala@liberty.edu or jmazzone1@liberty.edu.
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Monday Aug 09, 2021
Ep. 22: Race, Vulnerability, and Personhood - Dr. Yulanda Tyre
Monday Aug 09, 2021
Monday Aug 09, 2021
Counselor, Liberty associate professor, and current president of the Alabama Counseling Association Dr. Yulanda Tyre joins Robert and Jeff for a conversation on race. She shares her experiences as an African American woman in the context of development, leadership, opportunities, challenges, and discrimination. She discusses her views on reconciliation, and some bumps she has experienced along the way.
Recommended APA citation example: Switala, R. P., & Mazzone, J. (Producers). (2021, August 9). Ep. 22: Race, vulnerability, and personhood - Dr. Yulanda Tyre [Audio podcast episode]. In RENAR Voice. Rho Eta Nu Alpha Rho of Chi Sigma Iota, Liberty University.

Monday Jul 26, 2021
Monday Jul 26, 2021
Clinical psychologist and Franciscan University of Steubenville assistant professor Dr. Matthew Breuninger joins Robert and Jeff to discuss the integration of psychology, philosophy, and theology in examining wounds, healing, and radical encounters of God's love. Dr. Breuninger explains that healing does not necessarily mean removal of our pain, but being set free to love and serve the Lord with that pain. He explores the process of Christ's healing in the counseling room, and the role of the clinician in participating in its power. He describes wounds as our failing to be loved according to how we are created, and how our damaging attempts to numb the hurt often form patterns of anxiety, depression, and stress. He offers a few steps rooted in the 12 Steps that can open us to some ways God may choose to heal. He also intimately shares his own story through pain, his attempts to numb it, and his journey toward restoration.
Click here for the mentioned video "Restored in Christ: A Theology of Healing."
For info on the mentioned philosopher J. Budziszewski, click here.
Recommended APA citation example: Switala, R. P., & Mazzone, J. (Producers). (2021, July 26). Ep. 21: Restored in Christ (Part 2) - A special feature with Dr. Matthew Breuninger [Audio podcast episode]. In RENAR Voice. Rho Eta Nu Alpha Rho of Chi Sigma Iota, Liberty University.

Monday Jul 26, 2021
Monday Jul 26, 2021
Clinical psychologist and Franciscan University of Steubenville assistant professor Dr. Matthew Breuninger joins Robert and Jeff to discuss the integration of psychology, philosophy, and theology in examining wounds, healing, and radical encounters of God's love. Dr. Breuninger explains that healing does not necessarily mean removal of our pain, but being set free to love and serve the Lord with that pain. He explores the process of Christ's healing in the counseling room, and the role of the clinician in participating in its power. He describes wounds as our failing to be loved according to how we are created, and how our damaging attempts to numb the hurt often form patterns of anxiety, depression, and stress. He offers a few steps rooted in the 12 Steps that can open us to some ways God may choose to heal. He also intimately shares his own story through pain, his attempts to numb it, and his journey toward restoration.
Click here for the mentioned video "Restored in Christ: A Theology of Healing."
Recommended APA citation example: Switala, R. P., & Mazzone, J. (Producers). (2021, July 26). Ep. 20: Restored in Christ (Part 1) - A special feature with Dr. Matthew Breuninger [Audio podcast episode]. In RENAR Voice. Rho Eta Nu Alpha Rho of Chi Sigma Iota, Liberty University.

Monday Jul 12, 2021
Ep. 19: Biofeedback for Holistic Wellness - Jenae Spencer
Monday Jul 12, 2021
Monday Jul 12, 2021
Counselor, board-certified biofeedback practitioner, and registered yoga instructor Jenae Spencer joins Robert and Jeff to discuss biofeedback's ability to help shed light on what we experience at every level of our being as spirit, soul, and body. She shares how it helps inform clients and clinicians about what is occurring within the body in relation to stress, hypervigilance, triggers, trauma, and recovery. Jenae explains how the data gathered from biofeedback can indicate how one's nervous system responds to stressors, and what can be done to bring balance toward more effective emotion regulation and healing from trauma. She shares a few stories about how biofeedback integrated with talk therapy has yielded some powerful results for clients.
Learn more about Jenae here. Visit the Boston Center for Health Psychology and Biofeedback here.
Check out these resources mentioned in the episode:
Biofeedback and Mindfulness in Everyday Life
Biofeedback Certification International Alliance
Recommended APA citation example: Switala, R. P., & Mazzone, J. (Producers). (2021, July 12). Ep. 19: Biofeedback for holistic wellness - Jenae Spencer [Audio podcast episode]. In RENAR Voice. Rho Eta Nu Alpha Rho of Chi Sigma Iota, Liberty University.

Monday Jun 21, 2021
Ep. 18: The Sex Addiction Talk - Dr. John C. Thomas
Monday Jun 21, 2021
Monday Jun 21, 2021
Counselor, certified sex and certified sex addiction therapist, Liberty University alumnus, and Liberty residential professor of counseling Dr. John C. Thomas joins Robert and Jeff to talk about sex addiction, or what he defines as a pathological relationship with sex similar to a thirsty man craving salt water. He explains how sex can become one's attempt to satisfy unmet needs, issues, or struggles not only rooted from whatever bad things may have happened to us developmentally, but also from a deficiency of the good things we need for a healthy and whole sexuality. Dr. Thomas also discusses how sex addiction can be very present in the lives of Christians, and how dealing with it is much more than just questions about sin, Bible verses, and ascetical practices. Robert and Jeff explore with Dr. Thomas diagnostics, accountability, community, and our sexual anthropology rooted in the garden and culminating with the cross and Christ's second coming.
For Dr. Patrick Carnes and The International Institute for Trauma and Addiction Professionals, click here.
Check out some of Dr. Thomas' books:
Enduring Your Season of Suffering
What's Good about Feeling Bad? Finding a Purpose and a Path through Your Pain
Recommended APA citation example: Switala, R. P., & Mazzone, J. (Producers). (2021, June 21). Ep. 18: The sex addiction talk - Dr. John C. Thomas [Audio podcast episode]. In RENAR Voice. Rho Eta Nu Alpha Rho of Chi Sigma Iota, Liberty University.